5 Questions #5: Nicole Holofcener
Writer/Director of this year's best titled film, and one of my favs...
I met Nicole Holofcener way back when. I was coming from my very first meeting with an agent. It was one of the only times I wore a tie, that is until I got married many years later. Nicole had made a student film that I dug, and lucky for me she had just finished her first draft of WALKING AND TALKING. I think the tie impressed her because she gave it to me to read. I signed on to produce. It took several years and draft to get it made, not because it wasn’t immediately deserving, but because it was hard back then to put together a million bucks. Still is. The film went to Sundance and sold late in the night after it’s first screening, but that was quite an ordeal. She is now rightly recognized as both a great filmmaker and wonderfully unique voice. And she’s been nominated for an Oscar. There’s that too. I love her films. In fact I think my favorite is her latest and it certainly wins for best title of the year, YOU HURT MY FEELINGS. It’s not to be missed! She also regularly now works for two of my favorite producers, folks who manage to be great people as well as being great at what they do. But I will allow her to tell you more about them.
What is it that you distinctly strive for in filmmaking -- the thing that makes it yours -- and what are the typical barriers you have to overcome to get there?
I strive to make something that is meaningful to me. Whether it's working with people I admire, or making something on my own that feels important. I don't mean "important" as in something that actually IS important, like human rights. I mean, important to me and my life and what moves me or inspires me. The typical barriers first have to do with finishing a script - as in having an idea that I like until I get to the end of it. I'm not prolific. And then there's the getting it made barrier. Who's going to want it, who's going to give me enough money for it, who is going to get it seen (and hopefully not just by ten people).
Could you tell us about a collaborator you’ve worked with and why you respect them?
I have had a wonderful collaboration with Anthony Bregman and Stefanie Azpiazu. It started with you, Ted, and Good Machine, when you got my first movie produced. Then you handed me off to Likely Story and I've been making movies with them ever since. They have been so loyal, collaborative, protective and relentless in trying to get my movies made. And they're friends so it's fun to work with them.
What’s the difference between how you approach shooting (particularly the first day) versus the first time?
On the first day of shooting my first movie I felt I had to know everything. I thought I needed to know every lens, every light, every perfect way to shoot a scene, and every answer to all of the enormous amounts of questions a director is asked. Needless to say, fairly stressful. Throughout the shoot, and with each subsequent film, I've learned that this is not necessary.
And especially I've learned not to pretend I know everything. If I trust my crew, then we can collaborate. I feel comfortable enough to say to the DP - 'hey I'm not sure how I want to cover this. Any ideas?' Hell, that's what they're there for. And if an actor has lots of questions about their performance or backstory or whatever, I answer what I can. Sometimes I write things intuitively and if I'm not exactly sure why a line of dialogue is there, I'll just say 'you know, I wrote it, I think it has a purpose, I'm just not sure what it is yet. Let's just try it.' An actor may laugh and say fuck off, but mostly they're game. I think actors prefer that to some long answer I can give them when I'm not really sure what I'm talking about. They can smell bullshit.
Can you generate inspiration? What do you do to spark it (or try to)?
Inspiration. That is hard to come by. Generally I wait til it arrives on my doorstep. And it's not like Amazon Prime. It's more like a slow train or buggy ride from god knows where. However, it usually comes from something I'm dealing with in my life - or something a friend is dealing with. I start with a 'what if' scenario and go from there.
This time of year is crazy…. Awards season! How do filmmakers deal with it?
Award season is something I generally have to bear while hiding under the covers. Yes, I've had some lovely recognition over the years, but Best this and Best that and those horrible lists by who the hell knows, it's demoralizing and destructive. Small movies that don't have money to take pages out in Variety or get seen on billboards, just get lost in the dust. The competition reduces me to Junior High, and that's not easy to admit. Even for someone like me who has had the luckiest career. I hate the awards, love the awards, condemn the awards, want to get an award.
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Nicole Holofcener has written and directed seven films including Friends With Money and Enough Said, starring Julia Louis Dreyfus and James Gandolfini. She co-wrote the Oscar nominated screenplay for Can You Ever Forgive Me and has directed numerous television shows including Mrs. Fletcher, Enlightened, and Extrapolations. Nicole co-wrote the screenplay for The Last Duel directed by Ridley Scott, and released her latest movie You Hurt My Feelings this year.
Three Questions #3 Pastor Polly Nipnep, Filmmaker Clergy
Q: Pastor Nipnep, you’re the leader of a very unique church, The Holy Church of Indie Film. Can you tell me what your mission is?
A: We try to fill a need in this community. We try to provide hope. We come together once a week and talk with one another and support each other. We don’t talk about God or camera equipment or whether you’re shooting in 8K or not — we talk about what’s going on with our souls and what’s really happening with our spirit. Filmmaking can be such a lonely and dispiriting endeavor. I love this community because these artists have committed themselves to the Sisyphean task of filmmaking. I can’t imagine anything harder. I want to support these folks any way I can. Plus we have open bar every Sunday right after church.
Q: But Pastor, help me understand something here. Your congregation is largely indie filmmakers who haven’t “made it” yet — and yet in today’s sermon you feature a filmmaker who regularly works with A-list talent with budgets in the tens of millions of dollars. And you neglected to include that this person benefitted from parents and stepparents who were part of Hollywood royalty and who won an Academy Award for one of the Great American Films. The current trend would be to call this person a Nepo Baby. How is featuring this person helpful?
A: Life Isn’t Fair. I’m sorry if you’re only now learning that lesson, but it’s just not fair. This person does great work and I want to celebrate that. Can they help that they were born into privilege? They took advantage of the start they got and they ran with it. Good for them. Plus I really like their movies. I don’t know what you want me to do — should I disparage a person because they’re successful and you’re not? What if you were a filmmaker in Ukraine? Would you think life was fair? Three students down the street from where I live were shot a couple of weeks ago because they were wearing traditional Palastinian keffiyehs — and now one of them is paralyzed from the chest down. Is that fair? To live in this world you have to begin with the awareness that life is not fair. You can try to make it fair, you can hope for fairness, and you yourself can be fair — but you have to know deep in your bones that life is not fair. Only then can you begin to rise above that fact.
Q: Pastor Nipnep, can you say a prayer for all those filmmakers who are struggling?
(Editor’s note: At this point Pastor Nipnep lowered her head, reached out, and held the hand of this reporter).
A: Dear Film God, may all indie filmmakers find the help they need to get their movies made. May they get answers to all their queries. May they find a rich benefactor to fund their film. May they find a producer who is well connected and well liked and loves their Lookbook. May their script rise to the stars. May they not spend too much time obsessing over Alexa versus RED. May they know they are loved and one day will stand before an auditorium basking in a ten minute standing ovation be it at Cannes or Sundance or a small festival in Kentucky. May they find a loving and supportive spouse who doesn’t care if they edit in the bedroom. May they feel the loving embrace of a medium that flickers past at 24 frames per second. May they be lonely no more.
Amen.
This is all so great to hear and totally inspiring. Thanks for providing us this great insight into the process, it's an amazing resource and always a joy to read.